This is a response to Haridasa Thakura dasa’s comment on the Bizarro World post:
He wrote:
“Spontaneous love of Krishna as exhibited by the Vrishnis and the denizens of Vrindavana is eternally existing in them. In the stage of devotional service where regulative principles are followed, there is no necessity of discussing this love, for it must develop of itself at a more advanced stage”.
You stated that Prabhupada made this up?
What do these words of mine mean to you?
Prabhupada made that up
It is rare to ask your questions. It is more rare to listen to the answers.
Prabhupada was a transcendental personality, a pure via media of Krishna. Just because one may disagree with part of his teachings does not make him wrong. A humble person will understand that if they don’t agree then it is their impurity that is the cause of their disagreement.
This is the harmony of nature, and not a waste of time. I have three treasures which I hold and keep. The first is mercy. For from mercy comes courage. The second is frugality. From which comes generosity to others. The third is humility. For from it comes leadership.
Take note, those persons who are insane and inflamed with envy and hate (whomever you are). I see no advanced personalities on these pages. I see a fault finding mentality that is pointing out others mistakes, whether actual or otherwise.
The undiscerning mind is like the root of a tree. It absorbs equally all that it touches. Even the poison that would kill it.
Anyone who gets attracted to this diatribe of offensive material is doomed to be sucked into the same dark mentality.
All men have dreams of different types – good and bad. There are the vain dreams. Futile, based on baseless hopes. There are the dreams that spur and inspire. Based on aspiration to a higher ideal. And there are the false dreams, based on lies to oneself or others.
Please open your eyes and understand that love of God means love of everything, even one’s enemies. A spiritually advanced person does not relish these pages of hate. If one see’s Lord Nityananda leaving a liquor shop one shouldn’t think he went there to drink. Likewise, not all who enter these pages do so to relish them.
Those incapable of understanding the way, see things as monsters. Better for them, never to enter here.
I have personal realisations but I wouldn’t put them on these pages as they are personal. However, I may be of small intelligence but I’ve always seen cheaters for exactly what they are.
It has been said that a man is three things: What he thinks he is; What others think he is; And what he really is. Which one of these do you believe is the truth?
In India there are no women in the ashrams, I wonder why, and now I know. The bottom line Vrajabhumi is that you are not the body but you act and speak wholly as if you were. That is the strength of a womans conditioning and that is why a woman normally/naturally takes shelter of a man to protect her from others and also from herself.
I’m not aware of too many things, but I know what I know if you know what I mean
“This is the harmony of nature, and not a waste of time. I have three treasures which I hold and keep. The first is mercy. For from mercy comes courage. The second is frugality. From which comes generosity to others. The third is humility. For from it comes leadership”.
The above is what you part wrote in reply to my rather harsh words in regards to the minimisation of Srila Prabhupada’s position (as I see it).
I’m not interested in fighting, I’m not even interested in trying to defeat you, as you would never admit defeat anyway. What I am interested in doing is showing some mercy, and that is what I’m all about. Mercy not just for you but for others who are more innocent and border-line.
Your statement above contradicts what you write on your website. I do not see those qualities in you. I see someone who has been hurt very deeply and who feels cheated by the very organisation they took to for shelter in this dark and dangerous world. We should examine the meaning of humility in your case as that would erase the need to look outside for all the problems in your life. Look inward and stop blaming others for your own lack of inner purity. The path of pure bhakti is surely one of great challenges and many pitfalls. You have fallen at the first hurdle but instead of picking yourself up and jumping over the next you have remained fallen and continue to remonstrate with the hurdle you failed to clear as if it tripped you by its own act.
I have to see Krishna in everything, I have to see the mercy of my spiritual master in everything and after that there is nothing. I am nothing without these things, and neither are you.
I see your short comings, I see the word jugglery you employ to bewilder the weak minded and the open antagonists.
Anyway, I spent a most pleasant two weeks in Florida last month and met a few of my old god brothers while visiting Alachua. I had a nice talk with Mukhya Devi who I served with in Detroit and she is now temple president, and she’s doing a great job. There is room for you in ISKCON if you can give up your hatred of it. I speak straight, I don’t wish to hurt your feelings but my heart is who I am.
Go well,
HTd.
Haridasa Thakura dasa
In games children teach – sometimes more than books…Look beyond the game as you look beneath the surface of the pool to see its depths.
If you trust me completely, I can help you. If I tell you, you are not within a prison, the prison is within you, can you believe that?
We are taught that the most important gift of our natures is the reaching out to one another. To say and to listen. To teach what we know truly to those who do not know. To send peaceful thoughts over the bridge of words. . . . Reach out. Yet be wary of what you allow yourself to grasp. . . . Guard above all things the purity of your vision.
How does one find the strength within himself?- by being one with all that is without himself. That prevails which refuses to know the power of the other. Where fear is, does not danger also live? And where fear is not, does not danger also die? Where the tiger and the man are two, he may die. Yet where the tiger and the man are one there is no fear. There is no danger. For what creature, one with all nature, will attack itself?. . . be yourself and never fear thus to be naked to the eyes of others. Yet know that men so often mask themselves that what is simple is rarely understood. The dust of truth swirls and seeks its own cracks of entry and a tree falling in the forest without ears to hear makes no sound. Yet it falls
Well, after trying to digest your answer (?) I decided I’ll stick to avocado’s and a few cashews. I find there’s nothing better than a ripe avo’ that has taste. A little salt and pepper with a hint of lemon, what can be better?
HTdasa.
Govt should ban commentary on Bhagavad Gita, just as islam doesn’t allow translation of Holy Quran.
It will bring peace to this world.
Haridasa Thakura dasa wrote, “A humble person will understand that if they don’t agree [with ACBS] then it is their impurity that is the cause of their disagreement.”
This is total cult jargon. ISKCON’s dogma and systematized method of preventing people from thinking for themselves is built on this kind of jargon.
Haridasa Thakura dasa
You wrote
Here is a more detailed response, which I added to the original post:
The verses below is what is summarized and condensed above by Prabhupada, in doing so he removed the actual meaning of both verses and created a new meaning:
Rupa is not saying:
“In the stage of devotional service where regulative principles are followed, there is no necessity of discussing this love, for it must develop of itself at a more advanced stage”
Rupa simply said that he wasn’t going to go into descriptions of prema at that place in his book (where he is discussing eligibility for raganuga) in fact Rupa Goswami wrote a lot on the bhava and rasa of prema-bhakti elsewhere. He also didn’t say that vaidhi-bhaktas shouldn’t discuss bhava and rasa. Rupa mentions vaidhi-bhakti and simply states that until bhava arises you are dependent on scriptures and logical considerations. This is because it is at the stage of bhava-bhakti where Krishna reveals his presence in the mind of the devotee:
The last verse of Madhurya Kadambini by Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura:
Therefore until you are able to get direct instructions from antaryami (God within) your conception and understanding of bhava and rasa is solely dependent on outside sources, e.g. scriptures and logic.
Reply to servant of Krishna:
I did use the words, a humble person and I should add ’sincere’ so as to make it clear what I mean.
You don’t even know me and you spout the words “cult jargon”. I live outside of the temples and I can’t be described as not being able to think for myself. You are such a foolish person. First put your mind in gear before you open your mouth to speak. I don’t tread onto these pages by instruction. I’m hear because someone has to occasionally speak up for what they believe to be right. And to try to save you people from further self harm. Krishna consciousness may not have worked for you (I think that’s self evident) but that’s not the fault of Prabhupada or ISKCON. However, it certainly works for me, and I think at 60 years of age and having been chanting for 35 years I must have done something right. The problem with people like yourself is that you feel the need to pick and pick, to find fault just to strengthen your own misconceptions about spiritual life. I do accept that ISKCON has made many mistakes but putting that all aside I know many sincere devotees who do a lot to spread love of God. What do you do in that regard? (besides spreading your criticism’s of course). Can’t you even accept that?
For your information I spent 6 years in English jails before I joined in 1976 and I was a pretty bad person. Chanting Hare Krishna changed and saved my life and I learned to overlook the external fault finding tendency that so many trip up on.
Not one of you have up till now accepted any point I’ve made. All you can do is pick on some small statement and screw it around in a feeble attempt to justify your crow like mental actions.
I pity you all. Why not write something nice for a change, it might make you feel better about yourself.
I have a friend who’s pretty sharp and this was her humble comment on Vrajabhumi’s reply to me a little while ago:
“Thanks for sending this – interesting. However, I found it difficult to understand much of what she was saying – there often didn’t seem to be much of a link between your points and her replies (ie she seemed to be off at a tangent) and I’m not sure if there was much substance behind her flowery words. However, my limited understanding of the philosophy may account for much of this”.
Just see! even this neophyte lady could understand that Vrajabhumi is not to be taken seriously.
Haridas
First off, you came on here looking for a fight, so I was like “O.K, let’s throw some Kung Fu at the wanker”
see http://kungfu-guide.com/addendum/addendum.html
Secondly, your statement which Servant of Krishna commented on was hilariously insane, I mean, you do know all the crazy stuff Prabhupada said right? Like:
Or:
or:
And my favorite:
This one always gets me:
I denied, “No, you cannot have.” I told them. One girl in the airship, she was seeing like (makes some gesture-laughter). I asked her, “Give me 7-Up.” “It is locked now.” So I frankly said that “No, no. You cannot have equal rights because your brain is thirty-four ounce.”
All because the 7-UP was on lock down? LOL!
Prabhupada is spot on and very funny, pity your huge brain can’t pick that up. As I said before you are a fault finder, you are also on a material bender due to your having to stoop to the level of gutter name calling. Names do not hurt, they only reflect badly on the person who has to use them. I have no interest in fighting with you, indeed, why should I fight with someone who is already defeated? defeated by the material energy! I felt sorry for those that read your version of what you believe to be truth and that is why I ventured into your snake pit. Where is your Bhagavad-gita? your Bhagavatam? your Caitanya Caritamrita? your Isopanisad? Where is anything you have written for the benefit of suffering humanity? Answer that you foolish person. Prabhupada came to the West to save us and all you and your ilk can do is try to stop him, shame on you!
You are so blind that you don’t understand that Prabhupada is dealing with Western people who are generally seeped in sense gratification and the materialistic concept of life, and with that in mind he wrote according to our understanding. He did not try to hide anything or create a cover up. You are putting forward that you are superior and that you know better!
You are proof that a woman’s brain is not suited to such transcendental studies as your pathetic websites title shows. You are a disgrace to vaishnavism and you are a complete plonker. Just see, I used a word that really does suit you, unlike yours which doesn’t suit because I follow the regulative principles and therefore cannot be a w****r. You are really quite a horrible and nasty person.
But I wish you the best in your quest to save people from being saved. I am really laughing here as you are such a foolish wooden brained person. Therefore I have to pity you even though you have insulted my spiritual master who you never met, or maybe you were that envious female reporter who kept going on about Rolls-Royce’s?
PS. Took you a long time to get your reply together this time.
Haridasa Thakura dasa
Publicly announcing that you’re functionally retarded was a good idea?
ACBS: “How can I give you equal rights, because your brain is less substance.”
How can *he* give equal rights? He thought human rights were his to give or withold? Wow.
In retrospect, in light of how ISKCON has failed so spectacularly, all of his boasting to his foolish disciples about how, “I condemn everyone, that ‘You are all dogs and hogs,’” and about telling off the reporter in Chicago and telling off the girl “in the airship” and ridiculously declaring that “up to date in the history there is not a single woman who is a great scientist or great philosopher” is really pathetic.
But just because it all sounds pathetic and ridiculous now, we should not overlook how truly abusive (and obviously non-spiritual) many of his statements, and the underlying attitudes they revealed, actually were.
Imagine if he would’ve dropped these lines in da ‘hood!
He’s lucky he only said that stuff around his own disciples and people who are paid to be tolerant and nice, like airline employees who were clocked in (the customer always comes first in the hospitality profession and no one wants to risk their job over someone they only have to deal with for few hours).
Well there isn’t many things one can drop in da ‘hood and not get scraped for them.
As for the hopitality of airlines employees, have you ever made a complaint to one in mid-air? let me tell you, the customer does NOT come first for these people.
But I am not defending Prabhupada.
He was wrong. Nowadays he could get sued for those statements.
In fact, I am surprised no human rights groups has yet detected the “women like to be raped” statement yet, and the “slaves” statement also. They are not just morally wrong. They are incitment to criminal acts. Iskcon still upholds those as “teachings”. Someone should definitely denounce such “teachings” at the nearest police station. Get the “teachers” arrested.
Is that true about the weight of the brain?
On average a woman’s brain is around 100 grams less than a man. But woman who are large will have larger brains than men who are small. Some people have almost no brain substance yet are very intelligent, see
http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/science/is_the_brain_really_necessary.htm
ACBS: “How can I give you equal rights, because your brain is less substance.”
How can *he* give equal rights? He thought human rights were his to give or withold? Wow.
It’s especially comical when you consider that this an Indian man from a, then, third world country, talking to an American. How can he give her equal rights? Its more like the other way around.