In the comments to the previous post kalki das brought up the topic of archana, deity worship, and how it is taught by Prabhupada. He mentioned this verse from Sri Chaitanya Charitamrita: http://vedabase.net/cc/madhya/19/152/
Kalki pointed out how that verse is about the importance of sravanam kirtanam — hearing and chanting — as the process of “watering the seed of bhakti,” but how in the purport Prabhupada emphasizes deity worship as all-important. I want to point out that he also goes into a long harangue about the absolute necessity of “pleasing a spiritual master and following regulative principles otherwise all of your bhakti-yoga will be without effect.” Which is a bunch of nonsense, but it shows one of the reasons that Prabhupada’s books are so problematic — they are geared into making you think that without joining ISKCON and following all that Prabhupada demands from the inmates of that institution — that you cannot advance in bhakti-yoga.
In a comment I replied to kalki das:
Mahaprabhu’s teachings were focused on raganuga bhakti, whereas Prabhupada’s teachings were focused on vaidhi-bhakti. So it is very common for Prabhupada to write about vaidhi-bhakti while commenting in Caitanya Caritamrta even though the verses he is commenting on have nothing to do with vaidhi-bhakti.
Deity worship or archana is one of the limbs of vaidhi-bhakti. In ISKCON because of the over emphasis on vaidhi-bhakti it is common for devotees to become overly attached to deity worship. Because they were not taught properly the tattva and purpose of deity worship, they tend to think that deity forms are like real people, except people who demand punctual service free from all so-called “contamination” or you are greatly offending them and will be punished. It’s all quite mad.
Deity worship serves two purposes for neophyte bhaktas: It helps to focus your emotional feeling towards the conception that God is a person, not just a cosmic energy field; and it is supposed to aid in elevating bhaktas from the conception that God wants worship of the majestic “supreme lord” in fear and trepidation, towards a more intimate love based relationship, e.g. dressing and feeding like you would a child.
But because they weren’t taught properly, it is not uncommon amongst ISKCON devotees to become overly attached to deities and deity worship, as if deities are real people instead of substitutes to aid in developing intimacy and bhakti. And instead of developing intimacy and moving away from deity worship, and all worship, they tend to become even more reverential and worshipful over time. They also tend to neglect trying to develop their internal relationship with God in intimacy, and instead focus their devotion on reverential worship of deity forms.
In kalki’s response one of the things he wrote was:
[idolatry] is the danger of deity worship as you say if is not taught properly, but I know that Bhaktisddhanta Sarasvati (maybe the whole parampara), Advaita Acarya and even Lord Caitanya used to worship idols, for example when Lord Caitanya went to Ratha Yatra and worshipped Lord Jagannath, and Prabhupada used to say that there is no difference between the Lord and His Murti, so according to them the deity must be treated like a real person.
so? if they are not kanistha bhaktas why they worship deities??
Just because someone worships a deity that doesn’t mean they are necessarily kanistha or neophyte bhaktas. Deity worship is part of the vaidhi marga, it is highly recommended for those who are not on the level of raganuga bhakti. But, as Jiva Goswami writes in his Bhakti sandarbha:
In the Gautamiya Tantra it is said:
“For they who are always fallen in love with the lotus feet of Lord Krsna there is no japa, no Deity worship, no meditation, and no rules.”
When attraction (ruci) is not yet manifested even the best raganuga bhakti is considered to be mixed with vaidhi bhakti. Even a devotee who has attraction (ruci) for the Lord may, in order to benefit the people of the world, engage in raganuga bhakti mixed with vaidhi bhakti. Therefore, in some situations it is appropriate to practice raganuga bhakti mixed with vaidhi bhakti.
In order to set an example for vaidhi bhaktas a raganuga bhakta may engage in vaidhi bhakti, e.g. deity worship.
Deity worship is not supposed to be about treating deity forms as if they are literally a real person, it’s for a specific purpose. Bhaktas are supposed to transcend deity worship, not become more into it. While it is taught that a deity is non-different from who it represents, that isn’t meant to be taken literally. It is meant to inspire realization that God is in everything, and to inspire the practice of archana which will help raise the vaidhi bhakta to a level of more intimacy — if the whole process is taught properly.
But, as we can see with those who have solely or primarily gained their education in bhakti-yoga from Prabhupada, they never seem to rise above the vaidhi level. One of the symptoms of that is their over-attachment to deities and deity worship. Amongst the leading members of ISKCON it is quite common to see them have a large collection of shalagrama-shilas, or other similar worshipable objects. It reminds me of little girls being proud of their Barbie doll collections. They have different Barbie dolls with different accessories for any occasion which they like to show off to and play with their friends. Also they are very attached to bringing them wherever they go.
Bhaktas are actually meant to rise to the level of raganuga, where worship of any kind is given up for a more intimate rasa. But we don’t see that taught in ISKCON, and we don’t see that mentality from Prabhupada fanatics. We see the exact opposite — the longer you are in ISKCON the bigger your personal collection of deities becomes, along with more of your time spent doing archana. That seems to be the standard.
I changed the last two paragraphs above.
“Bhaktas are actually meant to rise to the level of raganuga, where worship of any kind is given up for a more intimate rasa”
Thanks, I understand that Lord Krsna doesn’t want to be worshipped, at least He is not bound with such love, He wants an intimate relationship with us and this is the path of devotion, this is the goal.
S.B. 3.29.21
ahaḿ sarveṣu bhūteṣu
bhūtātmāvasthitaḥ sadā
tam avajñāya māḿ martyaḥ
kurute ‘rcā-viḍambanam
I am present in every living entity as the Supersoul. If someone neglects or disregards that Supersoul everywhere and engages himself in the worship of the Deity in the temple, that is simply imitation.
S.B. 3.29.22
yo māḿ sarveṣu bhūteṣu
santam ātmānam īśvaram
hitvārcāḿ bhajate mauḍhyād
bhasmany eva juhoti saḥ
One who worships the Deity of Godhead in the temples but does not know that the Supreme Lord, as Paramātmā, is situated in every living entity’s heart, must be in ignorance and is compared to one who offers oblations into ashes.
S.B. 3.29.23
dviṣataḥ para-kāye māḿ
mānino bhinna-darśinaḥ
bhūteṣu baddha-vairasya
na manaḥ śāntim ṛcchati
One who offers Me respect but is envious of the bodies of others and is therefore a separatist never attains peace of mind, because of his inimical behavior towards other living entities.
S.B. 3.29.24
aham uccāvacair dravyaiḥ
kriyayotpannayānaghe
naiva tuṣye ‘rcito ‘rcāyāḿ
bhūta-grāmāvamāninaḥ
My dear Mother, even if he worships with proper rituals and paraphernalia, a person who is ignorant of My presence in all living entities never pleases Me by the worship of My Deities in the temple.
S.B. 3.29.25
arcādāv arcayet tāvad
īśvaraḿ māḿ sva-karma-kṛt
yāvan na veda sva-hṛdi
sarva-bhūteṣv avasthitam
Performing his prescribed duties, one should worship the Deity of the Supreme Personality of Godhead until one realizes My presence in his own heart and in the hearts of other living entities as well.
I see a conflict in the verses above, first the Lord says that He is not pleased with someone who worship His form but has not realized His presence in all living entities, and then He says when a person realize his presence in all one should stop arcana.
kalki das
Kapila is trying to make a point. What Kapila is saying is that the higher purpose of bhakti other than worship is to develop the ability to understand and perceive his presence and control over everything and everyone all of the time — including oneself and mind from within. Until one rises to that level, deity worship is recommended. But, he is making it clear that deity worship isn’t enough, it isn’t the goal. One should worship the deity with the understanding that it isn’t enough and serves no purpose in and of itself. One should be trying to understand and perceive God’s presence everywhere while in the stage of bhakti where one worships the deity. It’s a gradual process, it takes time and education before you can gain the ability to see God’s presence everywhere and relate with him/her through that ability. I’ve written about this topic at http://harekrishnawomen.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/see-me-feel-me/
[Krishna's deity is non-different from Him as Krishna has an authorized representation in the Deity form, which is called arca-vigraha. This arca-vigraha is an incarnation of Krishna. Krishna will accept service through that form.]
http://connect.krishna.com/node/270
what do you think?
http://www.indianheartbeat.20m.com/PgImageWorship.html
this is a good article of idol worship
kalki das
It’s alright, but generally in ISKCON and from Prabhupada followers we usually see the phenomenon I describe above in the post. And, not just from Prabhupada followers. Most Gaudiya Vaishnavas have little to no understanding that vaidhi bhakti is something you are meant to transcend.
Most all professional gurus teach that you have to follow vaidhi principles all of the time for your entire life or you are a fallen sinful person who cannot advance in self-realization. They do so either because they are ignorant, or seeking to convince others that they need to give up as much as possible so as to put that time and energy into serving the guru. Because most bhaktas are either neophytes or not very advanced in realization, and without an in-depth understanding of Gaudiya teachings, often because of that they are easily fooled by some intellectual sounding “sadhu” or “guru” who speaks flowery words and speaks memorized parts of sastra thereby falsely appearing “pure” or “enlightened” to the credulous devotees — even though they are not any more advanced in realization than the people they are instructing, and usually crudely egotistic and easily angered if their position as the enlightened guru is challenged.
This is a comment from an amazon’s customer about Srimad Bhagavatam:
[Although the stories are fascinating for individuals interested in Indian culture, Bhaktivedanta's purports, which are inserted throughout the books, detract from their continuity and make them harder to follow. His preachy style is reminiscent of a born-again Christian and his racist and sexist statements are very bothersome. His negativity re. family life and all aspects of modern science also give one a bad taste. It would have been much better just to let the stories speak for themselves. No wonder the Hare Krishnas have a hard time even giving this one away at the airports.]
BHagavad gita with commentaries Srimad BHagavatam and Caitanya Caritamrita with commentaries etc. it is really necessary a comment for everything?