I did say that Prabhupada and many of his followers think and act like creeps, I just wanted to make a distinction between people who are purposefully creepy by knowing that they are doing something wrong, versus people who are creepy because they think they are following God and being creepy because they think it is right and best for everyone.

Prabhupada was so egotistic that he thought whatever he believed was sanctioned by God and therefore good for everyone — that is without a doubt creepy when you consider the stuff he taught that wasn’t simply repeating scripture.

I just think there is a difference between someone like him whom I believe was motivated to help people attain heaven, even though he thought and acted like an egotistic creep sometimes, versus people who know Prabhupada was wrong but promote him as the highest level self-realized God conscious person anyways because they want to exploit his legacy for themselves.

I just don’t believe that he is “really” in Iskcon. He may be in Iskcon from an external viewpoint, due to attachment, institutional politics etc. But he is certainly not in the Iskcon of his guru maharaja and maybe not even in the Iskcon of the present GBC. So it’s just time for him to stop the charade and really be himself, for better or worse.

Prabhupada was a Wizard of Oz (like in the 1939 movie). Like Dorothy said, “(Prabhupada)You’re a very bad man!”

Prabhupada was EVERYTHING BAD the same as all the rest of the ISKCON scoundrels. So, it’s pointless and defeats any purpose to demonstrate against ISKCON leaders extolling Prabhupada since he was NO DIFFERENT!!

Prabhupada and all the rest: birds of a feather.

Any thoughts as to the last remark?

raghavendu,

Wouldn’t it be difficult for Hridayananda to leave ISKCON at this point in his career? Not all gurus or bhaktas have the same moods in Gaudiya Vaishnavism, and that tradition is very important from my point of view. Hridayananda might sincerely feel the best way he could servie his disciples is by staying in ISKCON.

Of course it is impossible to prove that Krishna actually spoke what is attributed to him, but it’s also impossible to disprove it. A self-realized person understands and sees that everything that occurs is a manifestation of Krishna’s control, so in that sense everything attributed to Krishna really was caused by Krishna — whether or not he actually physically spoke those words. Does that mean that everything attributed to Krishna should be taken as Krishna’s perfect teaching? No. Anyone can write something and attribute that to Krishna, or take previous writings and interpolate them to have Krishna say what they want him to say. Still, God or Krishna is always in complete control of whatever anyone does or whatever you experience. Brahma-Samhita says:

isvarah paramah krsnah
sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah
anadir adir govindah
sarva-karana-karanam

The supreme controller is Krishna. He exists eternally full of knowledge and bliss in the form of Govinda. Without beginning, He is the origin of all, and the cause of all causes.

Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 3.29.20-23

yathā vāta-ratho ghrāṇam
āvṛńkte gandha āśayāt
evaḿ yoga-rataḿ ceta
ātmānam avikāri yat

As the chariot of air carries an aroma from its source and immediately catches the sense of smell, similarly, one who constantly engages in devotional service, in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, can catch the Supreme Soul, who is equally present everywhere.

That sloka is mistranslated but gets the point partially across, yoga-ratam doesn’t mean one who constantly engages in devotional service, it means someone who is immersed in yogic awareness, someone who has the vision of seeing everything united, yoga, with God, can perceive the constant presence of God – just like smelling an aroma wafting through the air.

Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 11.28.6-7

The Supersoul alone is the ultimate controller and creator of this world, and thus He alone is also the created. Similarly, the Soul of all existence Himself both maintains and is maintained, withdraws and is withdrawn. No other entity can be properly ascertained as separate from Him, the Supreme Soul, who nonetheless is distinct from everything and everyone else. The appearance of the threefold material nature, which is perceived within Him, has no actual basis. Rather, you should understand that this material nature, composed of the three modes, is simply the product of His illusory potency.

Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 11.13.24

Within this world, whatever is perceived by the mind, speech, eyes or other senses is Me alone and nothing besides Me. All of you please understand this by a straightforward analysis of the facts.

Whether or not Krishna physically spoke these teachings, the fact remains that if you take them to heart and try to apply them you will experience Krishna’s presence and control, everywhere.